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Review of Wellfitting’s Beige Nude Longline Demi: Part 2 – 30K (UK 30H) by /u/xuenylom

First of all, here is a link to part 1 where I tried Wellfitting size 30HH (UK 30G). As it was much too small in the cups, Wellfitting offered to send me another in a size 30K.  Both bras were given to me in exchange for an honest review. I’ve spent a long time analysing Bratabase data to help me write this review, and I’m glad I did because now I have a much better understanding of the scaling and proportions. I will be comparing the two bras in terms of measurements and fit. I will also be comparing the two bras to some popular well known bras so that if you fit into [this popular bra] then you might also fit into the Wellfitting Longline in either 30HH or 30K (or the size inbetween, 30J).

Summary of Part 1

In the 30HH:


  • The look and quality
  • The feel and comfort
  • The band fits well
  • The gore is quite narrow (this is good for me because my breasts are close together)

Cons: (not really cons, because this would be perfect for someone with a different breast shape!)

  • The underwires aren’t long enough for my breasts, which escape out the side
  • The cups therefore aren’t tall enough for my breasts, so most of my breasts isn’t inside the cup
  • The cups weren’t deep enough, so I got overspill/quadboob and the gore didn’t tack
  • The underwires didn’t follow the shape of my boobs at the side or were too wide (this is possibly something that is never going to happen with my boobs, and I will explain further on)


Now for the 30K!

The 30K is just as beautifully made as the 30HH. Simple, but elegant.


The gore also has the bow and bead on it:


With the bows at the bottom of the straps at the front:


It has fully-adjustable straps with a U-back. Unlike the website though, the 30K (and the 30HH) I receieved had 5 columns and 3 rows of hooks and eyes, instead of 6. I think maybe bras with smaller bands may be designed for shorter people with smaller frames so have shorter bands.


As you can see here, this bra has the same “Comexim for Wellfitting” tag.


Then, on the other side we have a size conversion.


The cup is a 3 part (2 seam) foam lined half cup. This is my favourite style and you will see why in the pictures with me wearing it.


There are side seam/panels but these are not boned and are very comfortable. In fact the bra is just very comfortable. The fabric is soft and the cotton lined insides of the cups are cosy.


How the bra fits me

As you will be able to tell – this bra is a much better fit than the 30HH. There is more coverage and no quadboob. If it looks like there is quadboob, then it’s an illusion. The cups perfectly lay flat against my boobs at the top. This is the best part of the fit.


The straps are too wide for my frame, but I can simply wear them angled inwards like this. The cups are providing great coverage at the sides with no breast tissue spilling out the side. The gore tacks nicely in the middle. At the very bottom, I could do with a bit more immediate depth from the cups so that the underwire can sit closer to my breast root. Later on you will see some of my attempts to bend the wire to better match my breast shape, which, being splayed, can cause bras that would be perfect otherwise, to have underwires not exactly following my breast shape.

Fit aside – this cleavage is actually amazing for me. I think sometimes that people forget that having cups a little shallower than your shape can help shape them and push them up a little to give that “cakes on a plate” style. I got a good approval from my boyfriend too!


The band is a little shorter on my bra than the one shown on the website. On my 5″3-5″4 frame it looks like a mix between a full band and a longline. I would have prefered it to have the longer band and 6 hooks and eyes as shown on the website, but it still looks fabulous. I’ve got a ribcage flare and quite a bit of chub underneath my boobs, so it is helping to flatten that out but a slightly longer band would have been preferable.

From the back, this bra looks excellent again. (I took part of the tag off as I shall be keeping this bra, but forgot to remove the ribbon part). Although it looks like back fat at the sides, I’ve already swooped and scooped and that is actually my shoulder blades which are quite big. The band fits comfortably and stays in place. I am a larger 30 and this is a good amount of firmness and stretchiness for me.


Another view of the front shows the lift I’m getting in this. It looks like I’m almost quadboobing, but actually it’s just managing to give me cleavage like this without the quadboobing, which is quite rare for my breasts which, although they are very close together, are fuller on the outside. As you can see, there’s about 5mm at the bottom of the cups where my boob isn’t quite managing to reach down to the bottom of the cup. I don’t think going up a size will help with this, however as you will see later on, I have tried bending the wires to slightly adjust how the cups fit.


When I put my arms back more than I normally would it looks like there’s about to be quadboob. If I slouch, there’s a bit of gapping. This is all normal and overall, when I’m standing up straight, the cups are perfect. As you can see, my under-armpit breast tissue is now getting covered. Although I consider my breast root to be narrow, I feel like there is tissue outside of that root, somehow. This bra doesn’t rub and contains all the tissue that I want it to (until I properly figure out where exactly my breast tissue ends).


Another angle to show how flattering this new size is. You might be able to spot a bit of ribcage flare.


And from the other side:

Now, this is after swooping and scooping. The underarm jut out just above the underwire is actually shoulderblade with a bit of fat on it. It won’t go inside the cups however much I swoop and scoop. My arms are big proportionally compared to the rest of me. I just adore the shape of these cups though, which I think is called “apples in a basket”.


From the side in this picture it looks like the band is slightly rising up at the back, but I think it’s just my posture. You can also see that the very bottom of the cup is too shallow for me to get my breasts fully down into. Essentially I need more immediate depth/immediate projection there. As far as I can guess, my breasts are between moderately projected and projected and slightly conical, so this bra does shape them to look rounder and less projected.


On the other side you can see that my left boob, being smaller and needing less immediate depth/projection seems to fit closer to the underwire than my right breast.


Leaning slightly forward, you can see that the gore is tacking and the cup is laying flat against my breast tissue. The cups are higher than that of the 30HH and the top lace doesn’t dig in like the 30HH did.



Even though similar, I wanted to include the picture above just because of how beautiful the bra looks in the picture. The slighly shiny touch to the fabric gives such a luxurious look.

Comparing the 30HH to the 30K

Laying the 30K on top of the 30HH, you can see that the 30K has a slightly longer unstretched band.


In this picture, you can see how the 30K has deeper, taller cups than the 30HH. The gores are roughly the same width and also the cups are the same width too.


In the picture above and the picture below, the 30HH is laid on top of the 30K so you can see that their cups are the same width apart, but different in height and projection.IMG_1363

So, as last time I said that the wires of the 30HH weren’t quite following my breast root, and the wires of 30K being the same width but not the same length, I was advised by Wellfitting to try bending the wires slightly (as they are softer rather than stiffer) to see if I could get them to line up with my breast root.

So – you can see my attempt here is to make the cups more “splayed” – so further apart at the bottom than at the top, and also bending the wire inwards at the top as my breast root is narrower at the top.


Now the wires are better following my splayed breast shape at the front. From the side, the underwires were also following my root better. Success!


Comparing the measurements of the 30HH to the 30K

The band length (unstretched):

30HH: 23 inches / 58.4 cm
30K: 24.8 inches / 63 cm

The band length (stretched):

30HH: 30.5 inches
30K: 31.5 inches

The 30HH band runs more true to size and the 30K band runs larger. So someone who usually goes for tight 32 bands might be okay with going for a 30, if they usually go for 32J in Wellfitting (UK 32GG).

In terms of stretchiness, the 30HH stretched 7.5 inches (30% bigger), and the 30K stretched 6.7 inches (27% bigger). So the 30K started off bigger, ended up bigger, but was less stretchy than the 30HH.

Based on 30HH and 30K, I would estimate that if I had gone for a 30J, the band might have been 23.9″ unstretched and would have stretched to 30.7″.

The website says “extra tall band” but mine doesn’t look as long as the one on the website. Perhaps the bands on 30s are shorter?

Cup width:

30HH: 6 inches

30K: 6 inches

Both bras, although two cup sizes apart, had the same cup width. This was particularly interesting. This means that the fit of the Nude Demi Longline bra is going to be different for each bra size. Someone who fits the cup width of the 30HH but not the cup depth can simply go up a cup size, but someone who finds the 30HH too narrow will not be able to do this, but could bend/stretch the wires outwards to achieve the same effect. As the cup widths weren’t any different, the underwire came to roughly the same point.

Going from 30C(30:3) to 30O(30:14), the 30HH and 30K are 7th and 9th out of the 14 cup sizes made in a 30 band for this bra. So the 30HH could essentially be called the midpoint, whereas the 30K is on the larger end of the scale, for a 30 band in this bra. There is only one more cup size in the other bands this bra is made in, and that is 26P (26:15). Of the 26 to 46 bands (11 bands) this bra is made in, a  30 band is the 3rd smallest band size made.

So, the 30HH is one of the smaller band sizes with a mid-range cup letter, and the 30K is one of the smaller band sizes with a large cup letter. I shall be describing the scaling further down, as I will be comparing both these bras to many others in the same sizes, to give you a good idea of how narrow/wide and shallow/deep they are relative to what’s out there.

Cup depth: (measurement inside the cup, from one side to the other, at the deepest point)

30HH: 9.5 inches
30K: 11 inches

Now, here is where the main difference lies between the two bras. Both at a 6″ cup width, the 30HH has a cup width: depth ratio of 6:9.5 which is 1:1.6, whereas the 30K has a cup width:depth ratio of 6:11 which is 1:1.8. The 30K is clearly a much better fit for me. Perhaps a tad big without swooping and scooping but definitely better than the 30HH. My breasts seem to be growing, so I’m really happy with the cups of the 30K. I assume based on the above measurements that a 30J might have a cup depth of 10.25 and a cup width:depth ratio of 1:1.7.

So  the website needs to explain this better in order to not be misleading as it says:
“Great for: breasts full on bottom, breasts full on top, full bust,projected breasts, wide root breasts ”

But it does not state that the fit will actually depend on which size you go for. Just by looking at the 30HH and 30K I know that these two bras will fit differently-shaped breasts. Also, projected breasts and wide root breasts are mutually exclusive, as projected breasts are those that have a short, narrow root and have breast tissue distributed forward, whereas wide root breasts can only be shallow or semi-projected. After comparing the bras with others in the same size, I will be giving my opinion on what shape breasts I think these two bras will actually be great for.

Wire length:

30HH: 9 inches
30K: 11.5 inches

The 30K gives me much more coverage at the sides, which is good for me. The wire is the right length and does not let any breast tissue spill out and also doesn’t poke into my armpit. I’m around 5’3″-5’4″. Someone quite short (4’8″-5’2″) might prefer the wire length in the 30HH, whereas someone tall (5’9″+) may find that the coverage the 30K gives looks a bit more like the 30HH on me.

Gore height:

Including band:

30HH: 5.5″
30K: 5.5″

From top of gore to level at bottom of underwires:

30HH: 3.5″
30K: 3.5″

So, both had the same gore height and had 2″ of band underneath the underwires.

The gore height was not an issue for me in either of the bras due to the gore being narrow.

Wing height:

30HH: 5.5″
30K: 6″

The 30K had more wing coverage at the side which looked and felt much better than on the 30HH.

Cup separation/gore width:

30HH: 0.7″
30K: 0.9″

The 30K had a very slightly wider gore. I tend to prefer a narrower gore, but both were fine as they were still either narrow or medium for their size range.

Strap width: The strap width was the same (0.7″) for both of the bras. I had no issues with the width of either straps.

Hooks: 5

The website says “2-degree 6-hook fastening” however both the bras I got had 5 rows of hooks and eyes. I feel like if there should have been a different number of rows of hooks depending on bra size, this should have been mentioned on the website. Both the bras I received simply did not match the descriptions on the website.

Cup height:

30HH: 5.6
30K: 6.75

So, just measuring, from my nipple to the bottom of my breast is around 4″ unsupported and 5″ supported. My nipples are low. The 30HH, as said in the previous review, although not exposing my nipples, is starting to curve inwards at the top too soon. The 30K is MUCH better as you can see. I think I could possibly go for a 30J if I wanted a bit less coverage, as I estimate that it would have a cup height of around 6.2 inches.

Comparing the 30HH and 30K to other bras in their size range:

Compared to other bras in their size…

Unstretched band:

The 30HH:

  • has a slightly tight band for its size (other 30:9 (UK 30G) bras have  unstretched bands of 21″ to 26.5″)

The 30K:

  • has a slightly loose band for its size ( other 30:11 (UK 30H) bras have unstretched bands of 21.9″ to 26.7″)

Stretched band:

The 30HH:

  • has a medium length band for its size (other 30:9 (UK 30G) bras have stretched band lengths of 27.5″ to 34″)

The 30K:

  • has a medium length band for its size (other 30:11 (UK 30H) bras have stretched band lengths of 27.6″ to 34.5″)

Cup width:

The 30HH:

  • has a medium width cup for its size (other 30:9 (UK 30G) bras have cup widths of 5″-7″)

The 30K:

  • has a slightly narrow width cup for its size (other 30:11 (UK 30H) bras have cup widths of 5.5″-7″)

Cup depth:

The 30HH:

  • has a slightly low cup depth measurement for its size (other 30:9 (UK 30G) bras have cup depth measurements of 8.5″ to 11.6″)

The 30K:

  • has a low cup depth measurement for its size (other 30:11 (UK 30H) bras have cup depth measurements of 10.2″ to 13.4″)

Cup width:depth ratio (tells you how shallow or deep a cup is):

The 30HH:

  • has slightly shallow cups for its size (other  30:9 (UK 30G) bras have cup width:depth ratios of 1:1.4 to 1:2)

The 30K:

  • has medium depth cups for its size (other 30:11 (UK 30H) bras have cup width:depth ratios of 1:1.5 to 1:2.1)

If you fit into these well known, popular bras, then you are likely to also fit into the Wellfitting Demi Longline!

These bras have similar measurements to the 30HH Wellfitting Demi Longline:
(65H Change, 65G Ewa Michalak, 65G Kris Line, 65HH Comexim)bras like 30HH longline demi

These bras have very similar measurements to the 30K Wellfitting Demi Longline:
(65H Kris Line, 65H Ewa Michalak)similar to 30K longline demi

So, in conclusion

The 30K beat the 30HH in that it

  • Had a deeper cup
  • Didn’t give me quadboob
  • Had longer wires that encompassed more breast tissue
  • Gave me great uplift and cleavage without any pain or quadboob
  • Was comfortable, especially in the band
  • Had soft underwires that could let me customise the fit by slight bending

Both bras:

  • Were beautifully made
  • Were a tad too shallow at the bottom, but not enough for it to be a problem as I still got lift out of the bra and an excellent shape
  • Had more of a rounded underwire whereas I needed more of a taller “U” shaped underwire on the outside and an upside down “V” shaped gore, however I was able to easily adjust the bra
  • Had straps quite wide, which, with my narrow shoulders meant that I needed to wear the straps slightly diagonally
  • Didn’t quite match what the website said in regards to the amount of hooks, and the level of projection (neither were projected)

I am going to be keeping both bras. I will be wearing the 30K now, and keeping the 30HH for if I lose a bit of weight and boob, as the band runs a little tight and the cups a little small.

Wellfitting is actually having an up to 50% sale today! So now is your chance to try out one of their bras too!

Review of Wellfitting’s Beige Nude Longline Demi: Part 1- 30HH (UK 30G) by /u/xuenylom

So, I spotted a “get a free bra” on the Wellfitting website (in return for an honest review), and, as a moderator at ABraThatFits, and part of the site team over at Bratabase.com,  I thought I’d try Wellfitting for the first time (for just the price of postage) and try to settle the ABTF debate as to whether Wellfitting sizes lined up with UK sizing, or were more like Comexim sizing.

A bit about the Wellfitting:

Wellfitting is a US company owned by two sisters, Julia and Amelia, who teamed up with Comexim with the aim of bringing well fitting bras in large size ranges to consumers in the USA.

Here is a screenshot of their website:


They sell plunges, half cups and longlines in both styles.

Wellfitting uses their own cup lettering, but it is a combination of Comexim’s lettering (using HH after H) and US lettering (using 26, 28, 30… instead of 55, 60, 65)

Their potential size range is as follows:

wellfitting 2


Smaller band sizes tend to start and end at larger letters, whilst larger band sizes tend to start and end at lower letters. So if a bra goes up to 26P, it will usually go up to 28O / 32N / 34M / 36L… essentially stopping at the same volume in terms of sister sizes. Their largest cup letter, R, being the 17th cup letter, should work out as a UK L cup.

The bra I chose:

I chose the Beige Nude Longline Demi ($69) as I usually fit best in half cups and these cups looked the most open at the top.

welffitting beige nude(Source)

The size range for this particular bra is as follows:

wellfitting beige demi


My measurements:

Firstly, I’ll describe myself. I’m 24, 5”3-5”4, just under 13 stone and very pear shaped. My hips/seat is around 48-50 inches, whereas my bust is 10 inches smaller. I’ve got a ribcage flare (a pretty common thing actually) which can affect the way a bra looks/fits:


(I’ve just seen the bottom half of these cups, and think maybe the cup is collapsing due to lack of projection)

I’ve also got a lot of stretchy skin and a squishy ribcage. Due to this, I need to go for a tighter band. I generally go for a UK size 14 on top, and a 16/18 on the bottom.

My underbust measurements are around 30”/31” snug, and about 29” tight. My bust measurements vary from about 38 to 41, but I find that because my breasts have a slightly conical as well as splayed shape to them, I find that they seem to average out at about 39” – so I have found that 30G is usually the size I go for. Sometimes 30FF in UK bras depending on the width and shape of the cups.  I would describe their shape as fuller on top, needing quite a bit of immediate projection, narrow, tall and close together/splayed. So I thought I’d go for 30HH (9th cup size) in my first Wellfitting bra.

Previous bras I’ve tried from Wellfitting’s manufacturer Comexim recently include bras the same size:

65HH Elena 2HC: (a little on the shallow side but good enough)

comexim elena

65HH Burgundy 3HC: (a little wide in the cups but good enough)burgundy

65HH Ginger plunge: (cut into breast tissue so sold)


65HH Butterfly plunge: (second hand, a little loose everywhere so being used as a comfort bra)


The Beige Nude Longline Demi:

So, back to the Beige Nude Longline Demi . I ordered the bra on 23rd February. It was sent from the USA on the 15th March and arrived in England on the 19th March.  I had to travel with my boyfriend to go see his gran who was sick in the hospital, so this review is coming a lot later than I expected.

The bra is absolutely stunning. It’s a shiny, soft, luxurious in look, gold coloured bra.  I feel like this bra should be named something like “The Gold Longline”, though the recent Liftsational bras that just came out are also looking very gold and shiny too. It’s way more fancy looking than the website shows.  The quality is superb. I avoid silk for ethical reasons but the fabric on these cups is the next best thing, and still very soft. The cups are 3 part with 2 seams, with lace detail along the neckline.  It’s comfy, although the longline part I feel is not long enough to work well with my figure and I think some boning in the longline would really help with that.


At the centre gore lies a bow with a bead:


There are also small gold bows where the straps join to the cup:


The back has a fastening with 3 columns  and 5 rows of hooks and eyes:


The strap length is fully adjustable:


Unlike Wellfitting’s sister?/friend? brand,  Comexim, Wellfitting bras come with a tag. The inside of the cups are soft and do not have any pockets for additional padding. This is something I’m personally glad about, as I find that these pockets either distort the cup when there is no padding, or cause a lump in the cup when there is padding. However, I know that some may benefit immensely from inserts, so this bra would have to be worn with “chicken fillets” or something similar to deal with breast asymmetry if needed.


Here is the inside label, clearly showing that Wellfitting is linked to the Polish brand/manufacturer Comexim:


Here is the sizing label. I will straight away say that the US size is incorrect. The US size should say 30I. However, as the USA doesn’t really make many 30 bands, and Comexim’s sizes don’t seem to line up exactly with even UK sizes, I’m sure that the US size is probably  not going to be thought about too much.


The centre gore is quite narrow, and although the wires do not overlap, they are touching at the top. As someone with breasts very close together at the top (mine are slightly splayed, meaning that they are further apart at the bottom than at the top), this was a good thing.


How the bra fits:

As for how the bra fit me, unfortunately it seems I should have gone for two cup sizes up. As you can see, I’m getting quadboob as the cups are too shallow/small. The length of the longline and lack of boning is having trouble with my ribcage flare/squishy. (The cleavage though!)


Now we get to a non-face on view,  the spillage from the cups becomes more obvious. Also my shoulder blades, or the fact my back gets wider very close to my armpit, makes me wonder if I need more coverage in that area, but my root is narrower than the cup, so I won’t focus on that area for now. As you can see, the top of the cup cuts quite a lot into my breast. I felt as though the underwires at the bottom were hovering too due to lack of immediate projection, but this can’t be seen so well. The gore is floating. Although the straps look like they’re digging into my shoulders in a painful way, they’re actually fine. I just have squishy tissue. The band is perfectly firm and doesn’t feel too tight. It does press down on my ribcage tissue, but again, that’s because I’m squishy and I’m absolutely okay with this.


From this picture (below), the fit looks a little bit better, but the quadboobing seems to be mainly towards the centre of the cup, which cannot be seen in this picture. I have a feeling that this bra is not as projected at the centre, and this is what is causing some issues.


Now, in this picture, you will see why I will be next trying this bra in two cup sizes up (30K). This bra would give a noticeable lumpy look underneath tight t shirts. You can also see from this picture that this cup does not have much immediate projection. In my opinion this bra would be perfect for shallow, wide breasts (or someone more close to UK 30F) with a more even top and bottom fullness than me. Perhaps someone with shorter breast roots and a gradual slope at the bottom of their breasts.


This is probably the best picture to show that the band is probably what fits me best about this bra. Even though in some of the pictures it looks too tight, it’s actually pretty true to size.
You can now see that my shoulder blade is possibly getting in my way, but this could potentially also be migrated breast tissue that is outside my breast root and needs to somehow be pushed forward again. It’s tight enough to be supportive, but also comfy. Boning might have made the front half stay in place better, but may have made it less comfy.


Here is another angle, where I’m slightly bent forward. You can still see the overspill but I feel this is the most flattering picture of the bra. It’s absolutely beautiful.
I just need a different size/shape, that’s all.

In this picture I show that the wires are not quite following my breast root, as my breast root, rather than following the usual path into my armpit, tends to go straight upwards if I lift my arm like this. With my arms down, it looks like it’s in the right place, so perhaps my breast tissue moves back down again when I put my arm down. If the bra fit everywhere else, I might consider bending the wire upwards so that it rests closer to the edge of my breast root.


In this picture, I show that the gore is not tacking and I can fit a finger between my sternum and the gore.
This is another indicator that the cups are too small, as my breasts cannot get fully into the cups in the way they should.


As for what you can see under a top in regards to lumps and seams, here it is under a (what I realise is now slighly sheer!) floaty jersey size UK 16 Boohoo top and a black size medium H&M cotton top


Measurements of the bra:

Now, for the measurements of the bra and a comparison between this bra and others in the same size.

measurements demi

(Source: The measurements I added to Bratabase)

The gore is 3.5” from the top of gore to the bottom of the underwires, and 5 ½” from the top of gore to the bottom of the longline section. So, the longline part at the bottom is about 2 inches tall.

This review came a bit later that I had hoped for another reason; I have been creating the first of many ABTF guides using data downloaded from Bratabase.com (which I now help out at doing new models/brands admin), which will include spectrums such as “very narrow” to “very wide” in any given size, and “very shallow” to “very deep”.

At 6” cup width, these cups are medium width for their index size (30:9).

AT 9.5” cup depth, these cups have a slightly lower cup depth measurement for their size.

At a cup width:depth ratio of about 1:1.6 these cups come out as slightly shallow for their size.

If you fit into bras that are in the “medium width” section, but need more depth, then I would suggest going for a larger cup size in this style, or going for a plunge style. If Comexim plunge bras are similar to Wellfitting bras, then the plunges are deeper in the cups and slightly narrower than the longline half cups.

I think this bra fits a bit shallower than the Comexim standard band half cups I’ve tried, and shallower also than the Comexim Joy longline I tried last year. I’d say Wellfitting bras are roughly the same size though. I think the fit entirely depends on your shape, and the shape of the bra you’re trying.

Wellfitting were great to communicate with, which can often make or break an impression.

After messaging Wellfitting to say that the bra didn’t fit, they were super kind about it, and suggested that it would be great to see two reviews and a comparison between a Wellfitting bra that doesn’t fit, and one that does fit.

I will be trying 30K next in this bra, which I’m confident should be the right size. I will find out if it is the right shape, and if not, I will, like with this current bra, give my best guess as to who exactly will fit into it well because we’re all different shapes and sizes, and what may not work for me, will work amazingly for someone else.

In summary:

This bra is wide and shallow for its size

The gore is narrow

The band is true to size

The straps are fully adjustable and comfortable, and their width apart was not an issue

The look of the bra is superb

The bra is well made and good quality

My fitting issues were: top of cuts cutting into breast tissue and gore not tacking to sternum.

Coming soon: Part 2 – I’ll be trying this bra again, but in 30K


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We’re very happy to introduce our next giveaway sponsor – Rixie Clip. They are generously donating two first place prizes of a Rixie Clip three pack and two second place prizes of a single Rixie Clip.


You have likely heard of bra band extenders before, but did you know there are also bra band shorteners? Rixie Clip is a product that was developed when a woman couldn’t find a band size small enough to wear, so she and her husband took the matter into their own hands and invented the Rixie Clip bra band shotener. Most of us have experienced the same frustration of a too large band; be it due to weight loss, size fluctuations, ribcage shrinking post-pregnancy, bras stretching out faster than expected, a new bra running large in band, wanting to extend the lifetime of a favourite lingerie piece or just not being able to find a size that’s small enough, Rixie Clip can help.


Having a band that is tight enough is crucial to finding a bra that fits; if a band is too loose your breasts do not get as much support or lift and the weight of your breasts pulls on your shoulder straps which can lead to poor posture and back pain. If you have a bra that is too loose but fits well in the cups you may want to find a way to make it more supportive, alterations are of course an option but there are a number of us who aren’t confident enough about our sewing skills or are unwilling to alter a new bra that we might want to return as tightening the band can change how it fits. It is really great that we have an option to use an alternative that isn’t permanent, can be reused, and will even double as an extender in a pinch.


Here are some reviews of the Rixie Clip, from Curvy Wordy, Thin and Curvy, and more on Rixie Clip’s testimonials page. If you’re curious how it works, watch this How to apply a Rixie Clip! video.

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ABraThatFits 35,000th Subscriber Giveaway: Revelation in Fit


Revelation in Fit is a bra boutique in Oakland, California that prides itself in practicing proper fitting techniques and carrying sizes 28-46 A-KK from brands like Panache, Avocado, Freya, Ewa Michalak, Curvy Kate, and The Little Bra Company. Robyn, the owner, is not only a member of ABraThatFits she is  also a corset maker and trained in costume design so you know she’s going to get you into a bra that makes you look and feel amazing when she’s your fitter!

The store itself is beautiful, open and bright with fun decor (like the octopus wall decal they have by their fitting rooms). The bras are displayed against the walls which makes it easy to see all your options at a glance, no digging through crowded mazes of racks! That does mean however that not all the size options are on the floor and you may have to ask someone to go into the back room to get your size. In the center of the room they have several tables where they display other items they carry in the shop, such as the matching underwear for the bras they sell stockings, lingerie wash, bra inserts, and much more.


Like these beautiful flowers made by local artists!

Though of course the main attraction for any members of ABTF are the bras! Revelation has curated a gorgeous collection of bras that have been chosen for both looks and function. This store is one of the very few in the US where you can try on bras from Ewa Michalak and Avocado, brands famous in the online bra fitting community for producing bras that not only fit well but look amazing too. Besides having beautiful and functional bras Revelation has gone out of its way to be as inclusive as possible in the size range it carries. If you’re in the underserved small band/small bust or large band/small bust size ranges there aren’t many places you can find bras in your size, but Revelation is one of them. Their inclusivity doesn’t stop at which sizes they carry either, they’re an LBTGQ friendly store and are in talks to start selling binders in addition to bras.

If you’re in Oakland, visiting Revelation in Fit is a must for anyone that is passionate about bras, in a hard to find size, or just looking for a quality boutique shopping experience with expert fitters. And if you’re no where near Oakland but still want to support Revelation, they take phone orders and are hoping to eventually sell online as well!

Here is a review of the store from Science and Silicone, and several more from ABTF members 1, 2, 3 and the video from the indiegogo campaign is fun to watch too!

Revelation in Fit has generously sponsored us with 15 3oz Soak lingerie wash bottles for the giveaway and winners can choose from the scent options of Lacey (floral), Fig, Yuzu and Unscented. The giveaway is open to anyone 18 years or older and is open worldwide!

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ABraThatFits 35,000th Subscriber Giveaway: Uplift


Uplift is another store founded by an ABTF member (some of you might remember her, she created several of the handy graphics in our sidebar). Uplift originally started as a pop up boutique in the St. Louis, Missouri area that also offered in home bra parties where all of the stock would be brought to your own house so you and any friends and family you invited could get fitted and try on bras in the comfort of your own home. Recently though, Uplift’s stock has grown so big that they are no longer able to travel with it efficiently so they have made the switch to selling their bras online. While this means the end of popups and bra parties, a sad outcome for those of you in STL, it also means Uplift’s bras are now available to many more women.

Unlike other retailers which get in new bras each season, Uplift specializes in past season bras with several from as far back as SS2010. This means the prices are a little bit more affordable than most other retailers and that its a good place to check in addition to ebay and bratabase for hard-to-find bras that have been discontinued. The stock is eclectic, and I think the store will prove itself to be one thats fun to check regularly to see what new(old) bras have been added.


In addition to regular bras Uplift also carries bra sized sports bras and swimsuits as well as panties. You can also buy measuring kits from Uplift which are handy to take with you while bra shopping and would be great to give as a small gift to anyone you want to tell about finding bras that fit. A measuring kit includes a soft measuring tape, a playing card sized how to measure/check your fit guide and comes in a little bag.


Uplift has generously sponsored this giveaway with 5 Uplift T-shirts (available in womens  S, M, L, XL and mens S, M, L, XL, 3XL) and 10 measuring kits, open to anyone in the USA 18 years or older, and 15 infographic bundles, open worldwide to anyone 18 years or older.



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ABraThatFits 35,000th Subscriber Giveaway: Samanta Lingerie

We are thrilled to announce that our very generous sponsor Samanta Lingerie has decided to support the /r/ABraThatFits giveaway with fifteen bras! Isn’t that amazing? This giveaway is also open worldwide!


Samanta is a Polish company with over 25 years of experience and three different bra lines with different pricing levels –Young, Pret-Á-Porter and Glamour. Samanta is dedicated to proper fit and even has a Lingerie Academy that promotes what they call Individual Bra Fitting because they know one’s size, shape and personal preferences change what is needed for a bra to fit correctly. All of their bra styles are produced in a variety of cuts suitable for different sizes and shapes; there is something for almost everyone among their selection!



Each of the fifteen winners will be able to pick one bra in any cut they like from the Forest cream or Heka blue or turquoise styles (depending on the availability of sizes). There are a total of 8 different bra styles to choose from in a wide range of sizes, 65 C-M to 95 D-G. We suggest consulting Samanta’s size guide as the sizing is a little bit different from regular EU sizing. And of course if you need further help deciding which cut or size to choose you can make a post on r/abrathatfits!

Here is a selection of reviews to help potential winners choose their favourite cut:
Miss Underpinnings’ Guide to Samanta Constructions
Science & Silicone’s review of Samanta A142 & A225 cuts
The Full Figured Chest’s review of Samanta A922
2 Cakes on a Plate’s reviews of Samanta A925 and A922
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Underbust – Band Size Relationship: An Analysis

Howdy y’all! /u/shaytom here!

I know it’s been a while, but hopefully some of you remember my request to fill out a survey regarding underbust measurements and preferred band size. Finally, I have finished analyzing my results and I’m ready to let you all read about my findings.

Fun fact: I couldn’t figure out the best way to post my results, until I thought of doing a blog post. I do not, however, have a blog of my own, and thus, the official blog of /r/ABraThatFits was born!

Now on to the results! Just a heads up, here’s how I’ll be organizing this. I have made graphs/charts for various things regarding the general population, each band size specifically, and comparisons between band sizes. I will first present these visuals one at a time, then just summarize what is implied by each one. At the very end, I will try my best to draw the most general conclusions possible, so for a TL;DR, head to the bottom!

I will discuss limitations at the end, but one thing I wanted to address first is that there were some data points thrown out. These were solely measurement/response errors (ex. BTT was reported as larger than snug). I did not want to assume that they had simply been switched, since it was also possible that one of the entries was a typo, so these kinds of responses were not included in the data set.

First up, General Statistics:

General 1

These two histograms are pretty much just for funsies. Not much insight to gain here, but for those of us that like pretty charts, the band size distribution has a beautiful skew! Also interesting to note that “squish” can get as high as 5″, but the middle 50% of respondents reported a squish between 1 and 2 inches.

General 2

Now we’re actually getting into the relationship between underbust measurements and preferred band size. First, let’s take a look at the top two pie charts.

  1. There seems to be a pretty equal likelihood of wearing a band above, below or equal to the snug measurement. Does this mean that measurement is unnecessary/can’t help us determine the best band size? Not necessarily! Keep reading for more.
  2. A whopping 86% of ABTFers wear a band above their tight! Only 6% wear a band below their tight! Moral of the story: it’s really not a good idea to suggest going below the tight, pretty much ever. There are of course exceptions to the rule, and we will of course be digging deeper for when it is appropriate to go below the BTT.

The second set of pie charts may be a bit more confusing so let me try to make it clear. To make these charts, I calculated how many bands above or below the snug/tight each respondent reported wearing. Specifically, those who wear 2 sizes below measured 4-6″ larger than their band size. Those who wear one size below measured 2-4″ larger; those who wear their exact band size measure +/- <2″ from the band size, etc.

  1. 91% of respondents wear a band size +/- one away from their snug measurement. Don’t stray too far from the snug! ‘Nuff said.
  2. 60% of respondents wear a band one size larger than their BTT measurement. No respondents who wore a band below their BTT went farther than one band down. About a quarter wear 2 sizes larger than the BTT.

General 3

These histograms look specifically at those respondents who reported wearing a band below their BTT (n = 40).

As we can see from the band size distribution, going below the BTT measurement is not solely for “larger” band sizes. The average band size is actually quite close to the center.

As has been shown before, larger cup sizes are more likely to require going below the BTT. The average cup size for those below BTT is between a GG and H (for the curious, cup size was “averaged” by assigning a number to each cup size [A=1, B=2, etc.] and averaging those numbers). There are still some “smaller” cup sizes that still required a band below BTT; however, these may be outliers/anomalies and not necessarily something we should base our general recommendations off of.

TL;DR of General Stats – Going below the BTT is actually quite rare, even for “larger” band sizes. It is, however, more common for larger cup sizes, as we already knew.

26 Bands:

Unfortunately, I did not receive enough responses for 22/24 bands (which is to be expected), but I did have 26 respondents who reported wearing 26 bands. I would have preferred to have at least 30, so take these results with a grain of salt; the sample size is not necessarily large enough to draw general conclusions from.

26 Bands

The average 26 band falls in between their snug and BTT measurements. Note that all respondents who wore bands below their BTT had a difference of less than one inch between their BTT and band size (so none had BTTs lower than 26.75″). While the average cup size for those below BTT was smaller than we might expect, again it is important to keep in mind that n=26 in this case, so outliers can more easily drag the average down.

28 Bands:

28 BandsThe average 28 band measures about 28″ snug, and has a BTT below 28″. N = 131 here, so generalizations are likely to be a bit more accurate than they were for 26 bands. The most interesting fact to me is that only one 28 band wore a band below their BTT; this person’s BTT was 29″ and they wore an F cup. Why is this so different from 26 bands (where 11% [although this was only 3 people] of respondents wore bands below their BTTs)? I have no idea! Anyway, let’s never suggest a 28 band to someone who measures above 28″ BTT.

30 Bands:30 BandsSimilarly to 28 bands, the average 30 band has a snug underbust of about 30″, and you can count the number of women going below the BTT on one hand (in the second largest band size group!). Hmmm, I see a pattern developing!

32 Bands:32 BandsThe pattern continues! A very small percentage of women going below the BTT (and here we see a more typical average cup size of H/HH for those women). The average 32 band has a snug of about 32″ and a BTT of about 30″… same deal as 28/30s! This is the largest band size group, and there are only 3 women going below the BTT.

34 Bands:

34 Bands

Sorry this is getting kind of repetitive, but I did think people would want to look at their own band size for individual reference. Again, we see an extremely small percentage of women going below the BTT, and none more than 1″ lower.

36 Bands:

36 Bands

Oh hey! That’s different! A larger percentage of 36 bands are going below both the snug and BTT underbust. The band size falls pretty squarely in between the average snug and the average BTT. Keep in mind that although there are more women going below the BTT, it’s still less than a quarter of the sample (n=61 for 36 bands). This is still by no means “typical” for 36 bands, but it is certainly getting less unheard of.

38 Bands:

This’ll be the last group by band; no band 40+ had enough respondents to generalize.

38 Bands

So somewhat strangely (and possible due to a smaller sample size; n=24 here), the pattern shift that we saw with the 36 bands hasn’t continued, or at least not to as great of an extent. About half women who wear 38 bands are below their snug measurement, but only 13% are below their BTT.

Comparing The Band Sizes:

I’ve saved the best for last! The following charts really show the gist of what’s happening here.

BB 2

Here we see that the average person falls pretty much right at the snug measurement up to about 34 bands, where it starts to shift to between the snug and BTT. The band size still never falls right at the BTT. Even 36 and 38 bands have an average BTT below their band size.

BB 1

First let’s talk about squish:

There appears to be a slight upward trend as band size increases. A correlation of 0.23 is not very strong, however. We can conclude that there is some relationship between band size and amount of squish (namely, as band size increases, there tends to be more squish) but it doesn’t appear to be that strong of a relationship.

In addition, from the second set of correlations, we see that squish and the difference from snug has a moderate relationship (r = -0.51). Normally what a negative r means is that the more squish, the less of a difference. But since I used negative numbers for difference from snug to mean the band is below the snug, what we’re really seeing here is that squishier women wear a band farther below their snug underbust. Make sense?

However, a correlation of 0.11 is very weak, showing that there isn’t really a relationship at all between how much squish a woman has and where her band falls in relation to her BTT.

Now we’ll discuss the relationship between band size and the differences between underbust measurements.

1. The graph shows a downward trend in difference from snug, but as you can see the correlation between such and band size is not all that strong (r = – 0.22) so while there is some relationship there, it’s not strong enough to say definitively that larger bands require bands farther below their snug.

2. You can see from the graph that the trendline for difference from BTT is nearly horizontal. Since the correlation between band and difference from BTT is extremely weak (r = – 0.09), there is really no relationship between the band size and how far they are from the BTT.

Note that this is the relationship between the difference from underbust measurements. This does not mean that all bands have the same incidence of going below the BTT, but that the amount that they could possibly go below is about the same. For example, as we saw in the general statistics, those who went below the BTT went an average of 1″ below, and no one went more than 2″ (or one full band size) below. You wouldn’t tell a person who measures 30″ BTT to wear a 26 band on any occasion, and you shouldn’t tell a person who measures 40″ BTT to wear a 36 band on any occasion (not that anyone ever has). I hope this part makes sense.

BB 3

Here’s the real meat.

First let’s discuss BTT:

1. You can certainly see a decent downward trend in the % of people who need to go above the BTT as band size increases. The correlation of -0.51 supports this. So less women need to go above the BTT in the larger band sizes, but note that the point of the trendline for 38 bands is still a little above 70%. So basically, just because it’s more likely to occur doesn’t make it the most likely option. Pretty much all women below 34 bands need to go above the BTT, but the number of women above 34 bands who need to go above the BTT is still very high.

2. There is also an upward trend in the % of people who need to go below the BTT, and again the correlation (r = 0.52) supports this. Again, looking at the actual graph we see that the point on the trendline for 38 bands is less than 15%. So while it is certainly more likely that a 38 band will need to go below the BTT than a 28 band, it is still not the most likely option. It is still more likely that the women will need a band above her BTT, since, as mentioned earlier, 70% of 38 bands do.

Now we can discuss snug:

1. There’s a noticeable downward trend in the % of people who need to go above the snug, but the correlation of -0.34 isn’t the strongest. It’s still enough to claim some relationship, so it is less likely that larger bands will go above the snug (only about 20% of 38 bands). Remember that even for smaller bands, less than half go above the snug.

2. The trendline for % of women who go below the snug is practically horizontal again. The correlation is only about -0.1. Note that the trendline hovers around the 50% line. If you’re confused as to why this isn’t just the opposite of the above, remember that there is a 3rd option: being equal to the snug. So if less women need to go above the snug, but the same number of women go below, that means more women are equal to it. Anyway, about half of all women in any band size go below their snug.

General Conclusions:

1. As band size increases, it is more likely that a woman will need to go below her BTT.

2. HOWEVER, even in larger band sizes (36+), less than a quarter of the women go below the BTT. So let’s stop telling people how common it is, and how the band is stretchier and most women in your size can go down a band; this isn’t true. Keep in mind this data represents true to size bands.

3. Keep in mind the data (both from this post and past surveys) that indicate that larger cups (somewhere around G+) need to go closer to their BTT. So if someone measures 36″ BTT and needs a HH cup, sure go ahead and tell her to try a 36 band. If someone measures 36″ BTT and needs a DD cup, she’ll more likely than not prefer a 38 band (remember, my survey asked what band size you prefer).

4. Below 36 bands, the average measurements have a snug equal to their band size. So someone measures 30″ snug and 27″ BTT? Put them in a 30 band. For 36+ bands, the average measurements straddle the band size. So if someone measures 37″ snug and 35″ BTT, don’t size them down to a 34; more likely than not she’ll prefer a 36.

Basically, the trend of suggesting band sizes equal to BTT is really quite inaccurate, particularly in smaller bands. As always, bra fitting is an art, not a science, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t legitimate trends in what measurements correlate to what sizes. Just keep this data in mind the next time you tell someone with a BTT of 32.5″ to start with a 32 band. I think some people might have a fear of suggesting a band equal to the snug, but my data shows that this is actual the typical response (again, below 36 bands). And above 36 bands, even if you do want to suggest something below the snug, that doesn’t mean you should be afraid to go above the BTT; again, this is the typical response.
1. Sample size – Particularly when it comes to certain individual band sizes (26 and 38 bands) the sample size wasn’t huge.
2. Measurement instructions – Though I tried to describe how to measure snug and BTT, there are likely some people who misread, misinterpreted, or didn’t read those instructions at all. Therefore it’s impossible to definitively say that all BTT measurements were really as tight as they should have been.
3. Reported band size – I asked that only women who had been sized correctly and had a bra that fit well in the band reply, but there’s obviously no way to prevent people in an incorrect size from responding. In addition, I asked for people to respond based on true to size brands, but some may have missed that instruction or did not know that a bra they owned didn’t actually run true to size.
Hope you all find this post informative and helpful in guiding your sizing recommendations!